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Enough for what? As far as I know, there are usually rules for one part of that, but when it comes to how people feel, it is more complicated.

For the punishment to end. I wonder if there is a limit on such things as some seem to be treated differently from others.

I think - it depends on intent, and regret, and probability it will happen in the future. And trust. For some, even if there is no punishment performed, they torment themselves over their deeds. Others, even if their life is taken, they would make the exact same choices if put in the same circumstances. When is the self-inflicted punishment enough, in the first case? What would it take for the punishment to matter, in the second case?

Are they likely to murder another? What was their reasoning for doing it?

Considering it's all hypothetical I would say self-preservation. As for if they would do it again, that's an uncertainty.

Self-preservation is a broad topic. Are they protecting themselves because they know they will do good in the future? Or are they incredibly selfish?

Depends on who you ask, doesn't it? If you ask the victims family, no it's never enough. Ask anyone else though, maybe 20 years behind bars or just throw away the key. Maybe just the 20 years if the person is nice enough.

Point numero B. No, not all coffee tastes the same if brewed right. If it's brewed badly or instant, then yes it would.

Twenty years does sound like a standard, though I wonder if the criminal died because of their actions if that would equal those twenty years.

I see, the same as most things then.

If the guilty party is dead, the he's dead. Nothing else can be done unless, of course, you rip their soul out from the after life and turn it into a dogs chew toy. The victims may feel like they got cheated, but that's their problem to deal with. Unless, again, you do the rip the soul from the after life bit.

Well if I hate them a lot they should die
Duh
Then heaven should revive them
So people can kill them again!
Theeeen that should go on forever I guess
Yep 😄

[ Just stares at that text. Hopes it isn't someone he knows buuut it does sound like one of them.]

Such a long and determined vendetta. That sounds like a personal matter, I do hope I didn't unintentionally hit a nerve.

it's cool I only think about it sometimes lol

[The other times, he's drunk.]

but murder's like
A super huge deal?
But I'm also like
It's kinda hard to say if it's super bad or not
So the punishment depends on a lot of stuff

[But he's also Chaotic Evil, so.]

[ Welp.

This sure is a dark topic, isn't it? ]

Back at home, sentences would be carried out based on variety of factors regarding murder. Like the degree of viciousness, the motive, how it was carried out and how many people were killed, things like that. Personally, I'm not all that fond of the death penalty because it wouldn't give the person a chance to make up for their sins.

And 'would it ever be enough' varies from person to person, too. Like if it were someone I was close to my personal criteria would lean towards trying to understand why they did it first and foremost and then go from there.

Also regarding coffee: there are differences depending on how it's brewed and also if you're drinking it black or with sugar or additional milk, etc. If everything does taste the same to you, then maybe that's a tastebud thing?

[ It's something close to home and Jin Guangyao would like the ammo to throw at the others.]

That sounds like a fair system, though what would said system think if the criminal died through their actions? Does it still consider a punishment, or would that be it?

If you knew the "why" would it change your reactions or simply change the other's outcome? Forgive the many questions, I have a lot of time on my hands at present.

I see. Perhaps the coffee I have tried is simply not up to par. Milk and sugar next time.

Edited 2019-11-02 16:41 (UTC)

That's a difficult question to answer. Regarding 'if the criminal is dead', sometimes the law would deem that the criminal's actions fall onto the family of said criminal. But here's a little complicated.

I don't have personal experience with it, so I can't exactly speak much on the matter, but I've heard of Moonblessed coming back to life after dying once, along with people who were dead back in their worlds being alive here. Of course, even then, it doesn't excuse a single thing.

Don't worry about the questions, though; if I didn't want to answer them, I would say outright. But yeah, if I knew the reasoning behind a person's actions it would definitely change how I view things or even change how I would deal with them.

Yeah, milk and sugar definitely matter. Along with the type of beans, too.

One should definitely consider all the factors, but I don't think death should be ruled out of the equation entirely. Some people are too dangerous to risk even the slightest possibility of their escape, even if it seems as though they've been rendered powerless.

All very good points; it does seem that there are some instances where the crime is similar but the eventual outcome is wildly different.

I’d even say that applies to some who stop short of murder but spend all their time ruining the lives of others for their own gain. There’s basically nothing that will change that sort of person in the long run.

I suppose you've got to respect the laws of wherever you are on the subject.

Personally, I think there's reasons for certain actions. We can talk philosophy and intent all day, but I don't think there's any definitive answer that's acceptable, even for myself.

Also, try a Robusta bean over an Arabica. You'll notice.

Of course.

And I agree with that; sometimes the need outweighs the result.

Coffee types?

It's an unfortunate reality, especially for those in a position to make the decision.
Would be nice if things were clean-cut and black or white, though.

Well there's blends/types of beans that are grown in specific soil.
But there are only two types of beans.
Almost all coffee is made with Arabica beans, regardless of how it's roasted or where it's grown.
Arabica has higher acidity, but Robusta usually has higher caffeine.
The taste is stronger, too.

depends on the circumstances of the murder honestly
i've definitely killed people before for example but usually in defense or the guy really deserved it
but some people will tell you that's horrible etc
anyway if say for example some murderer shows up because he only gets his jollies through killing innocent people i'd probably either just kill him or turn him into the moon knights

i dont usually drink coffee so i cant help you there
but if you need tea advice lemme know

Such an honest answer, I do hope many don't get on your bad side here.
So for you it's not the action but the intent behind it, that makes sense.

Any advice is always welcomed.

[ If Jin Guangyao admits he knows about coffee but much more about tea, there'll be some on the network guessing who he is.]

It's pointless to even try and come up with a unilateral punishment for all murderers, because circumstances always change. Does the father who kills someone attacking their children deserve the same punishment as the man who kills others for fun?

There are some who would answer yes, or simply declare that murder is murder without wanting to find the reasoning. Personally I would agree with the sentiment that circumstances must be considered.

Mmm.

Why were you asking anyway?

I believe that would depend on the crime, and how much those affected by it are willing to forgive.

Or how much you're willing to forgive yourself, in some cases.

As for coffee, I must admit I can't tell the difference between them either! Have you tried very many of them?

A lot of people here seem to believe that forgiveness and circumstance seem to be applicable in such cases.

I have tried a few, but it may simply be a case of choosing unwisely.

It's the reasonable answer, don't you think? Using your example of murder, if one were to kill someone out of self-defense, certainly such a crime might be judged differently from a murder of malicious intent. And if you were to kill someone for what you believed to be a greater cause, then...regardless of that cause or its results, the victim's family might never forgive you for the deed.

I know there were quite a few different names in the store, but an acquaintance of mine did say the instant kind is terrible. Whether that's true or not may be up to different tastes, although they often appear to be the cheapest available as well, if that makes a difference.

It would depends on the circumstances of the murder and if they are regretful or not.

But if they are a monster... there is never enough.

I would like to think the mystery person is regretful. Do you believe that regretting such things makes it forgivable?

Not forgivable but... different. If they are trying to repent and make up for what they did, there's less reason to punish them harshly. Can they be a good person? However, if they are not and never have been.... if they are someone who brings despair and nothing else, they should be removed as a problem.

Murder is unacceptable and brings disorder to the nation. The only acceptable punishment is execution.

Whether or not I know the person is wholly irrelevant.

And what is the difference if it is a person committing a murder, and someone doing it on orders?

This is starting from a false premise that the means of committing it matter. It is not how it is carried out that makes the murder, it is the intent.

Of course there's a difference in coffees. The one with caramel flavor is clearly superior.

[Jin Ling, that's not even -... Anyway. With the easy part of his reply over, the rest takes a little thinking.]

It would never be enough.

[That's what he wants to believe. If reality is far more complicated, he still doesn't think it's the wrong answer.]

[ Jin Ling! Saying such things!]

I will admit I have not tried them with flavours added.

And never? That is a very long time for such a grudge.

Then your question was overhasty at best, and stupid at worst.

[... No, really, Jin Ling is the stupid one. Go on, pretend to be surprised.]

Apologies won't bring back the dead, and that's if the murderer even apologizes.

Let's turn your question around. What do you think a person can do to make up for such crimes?

It depends on why they did it, doesn't it?

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Naturally. Do you think it is ever something to be worked on?

I guess if they are willing to change and redeem themselves, in any way that suits the severity of their crime, they should.

Why does it matter how it tastes as long as it does what it's supposed to?

[As far as he's concerned, coffee is pretty much just medicine and it's point is to keep him awake so he can work and read and do stuff through the night. So that's a simple question to answer so he gets it out of the way first.]

That's a complicated question. Does the person who committed the crime regret what they did? Will they be likely to repeat this action? What reason did they have for the murder? What can be done to give peace and justice for the deceased and their family?

If it were someone I know, then I should also reflect on why I wasn't able to prevent it from happening.

No amount of punishments could bring the dead back to life, so it's more important to focus on preventing the same from happening again and to make amends.

You mean to say that until the criminal repents, it will never end no matter what.

And I wouldn't know those answers when it's all about an imaginary other. Though if they are unlikely to repeat their actions and have some regret, then at some point perhaps they can be forgiven. Then again that is the choice for those wronged.

[Jin Guangyao pauses, wondering if Lan Xichen feels much these days about what happened.]

Preventing?

Edited 2019-11-02 17:08 (UTC)

Perhaps.

Indeed, it would be up to the wronged to decide when to offer forgiveness.

[Probably, most everyone back home would have assumed by prevention he really meant 'fight and/or subjugate them'. But that wasn't actually it.]

I won't pretend there aren't people who commit murder for reasons such as greed or pride.

But aren't there also those who make that mistake because they were backed into a corner? Because they felt they had no other recourse? Because they had something to protect? Because they had experienced one cruelty too many and couldn't take it anymore?

Hypothetically speaking, if this person I knew was the former then why did I not stop them? Was I ignorant of their nature? If I had been deceived then I too, have some blame to shoulder for failing to prevent this tragedy and I bear responsibility in stopping them.

If it is the latter, then that means I had failed to protect them or give them help when they needed it. It would mean I had failed in my responsibilites as a cultivator and as someone who knew their circumstances and could have been a position to stop them before they came to that point.

Edited 2019-11-02 18:59 (UTC)

[You should thank his pal Dell for introducing speech-to-text for him because otherwise, this would be incomprehensible.

Also he's just going to ignore the first part because UUUUUH....(gestures to canon)]

I dunno I never had a good cup of coffee. It all taste the same to me. Throw some sugar in it maybe? I'm not the coffee guy, sniper is.

did you murder someone bro

[ he will CALL THE POLICE ]

Repetance required.

[ The most that Liu Qingge has learned is clicking the voice option to voice his opinion on topics. He never has been a talkative person, so this is ironic in many ways. ]

Strange questions. [ Are you really that bored? ]

The system of justice I've worked with has always focused more on preserving public safety than giving solace to the victims, but orcish tribes in the Field of Stars had a solution some find particularly elegant.

Someone who committed a particularly heinous crime would, upon knowledge of their guilt, have their face scarred and their name stripped from them.

It was understood that an orc marked in such a manner was no longer protected by their laws and customs.

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